Comments on: When do I have to fill out logbooks? http://www.arnoldsafetyblog.com/when-do-i-have-to-fill-out-logbooks/ Helping Companies Comply With D.O.T. Safety Regulations Mon, 06 Feb 2012 11:58:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Eric Arnold http://www.arnoldsafetyblog.com/when-do-i-have-to-fill-out-logbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-55119 Eric Arnold Wed, 18 Jan 2012 10:46:38 +0000 http://www.fmcsacompliance.com/?p=39#comment-55119 There is an exception in the rules which says if you stay within 100 air miles of the terminal, and return within 12 hours, you may record only your time started, time finished, and total number of hours that day, instead of a logbook. That being said, an employer reserves the right to make you fill out a logbook, if that's the way they want it done. There is an exception in the rules which says if you stay within 100 air miles of the terminal, and return within 12 hours, you may record only your time started, time finished, and total number of hours that day, instead of a logbook. That being said, an employer reserves the right to make you fill out a logbook, if that’s the way they want it done.

]]> By: Eric Arnold http://www.arnoldsafetyblog.com/when-do-i-have-to-fill-out-logbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-55117 Eric Arnold Wed, 18 Jan 2012 10:40:00 +0000 http://www.fmcsacompliance.com/?p=39#comment-55117 Well, the burden of proof is still on them. I know, that's hard to believe, and if you ask a majority of DOT cops, they will tell you otherwise. Nevertheless, it is true: the DOT must prove your handwritten time is inaccurate. They do this by matching your handwritten time sheets against bills of lading, toll receipts, and fuel receipts, to verify its accuracy. Well, the burden of proof is still on them. I know, that’s hard to believe, and if you ask a majority of DOT cops, they will tell you otherwise. Nevertheless, it is true: the DOT must prove your handwritten time is inaccurate. They do this by matching your handwritten time sheets against bills of lading, toll receipts, and fuel receipts, to verify its accuracy.

]]> By: john http://www.arnoldsafetyblog.com/when-do-i-have-to-fill-out-logbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-55103 john Wed, 18 Jan 2012 03:55:49 +0000 http://www.fmcsacompliance.com/?p=39#comment-55103 My safety director says we must log everyday even if we drive less then 100 miles he has stated that we must log even if we drive 5 miles to the company warehouse load the truck and drive back to the parking lot i have a class a cdl there other drivers and myself think this is wrong, who is correct? My safety director says we must log everyday even if we drive less then 100 miles he has stated that we must log even if we drive 5 miles to the company warehouse load the truck and drive back to the parking lot i have a class a cdl there other drivers and myself think this is wrong, who is correct?

]]> By: Kyle http://www.arnoldsafetyblog.com/when-do-i-have-to-fill-out-logbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-54098 Kyle Thu, 29 Dec 2011 16:53:22 +0000 http://www.fmcsacompliance.com/?p=39#comment-54098 "This can be a time sheet, time clock, or any other type of document which has the time started, time finished, and total number of hours for the day." Can this information be filled in by the driver directly, does it have to be punched by a time stamp? How do I prove to a DOT auditor that when by driver writes down '7:30' that he actually started at 7:30 without some sort or time stamp by a machine or something. “This can be a time sheet, time clock, or any other type of document which has the time started, time finished, and total number of hours for the day.”

Can this information be filled in by the driver directly, does it have to be punched by a time stamp? How do I prove to a DOT auditor that when by driver writes down ’7:30′ that he actually started at 7:30 without some sort or time stamp by a machine or something.

]]> By: Eric Arnold http://www.arnoldsafetyblog.com/when-do-i-have-to-fill-out-logbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-47826 Eric Arnold Tue, 26 Jul 2011 03:43:30 +0000 http://www.fmcsacompliance.com/?p=39#comment-47826 If it's a non-profit organization, then you are not in commerce. The rules say you have to be in commerce to be subject to the rules. For example, I can rent a 24 foot truck, which is well over 10,001 lbs. to move my household goods across the country. Since it is my own personal stuff, and I am not doing it for a business purpose, it is not in commerce, and therefore, unregulated. Hope that helps. If it’s a non-profit organization, then you are not in commerce. The rules say you have to be in commerce to be subject to the rules. For example, I can rent a 24 foot truck, which is well over 10,001 lbs. to move my household goods across the country. Since it is my own personal stuff, and I am not doing it for a business purpose, it is not in commerce, and therefore, unregulated. Hope that helps.

]]> By: Bob http://www.arnoldsafetyblog.com/when-do-i-have-to-fill-out-logbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-47160 Bob Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:58:16 +0000 http://www.fmcsacompliance.com/?p=39#comment-47160 Eric, I (and a group of others) occassionally drive a 16K GVWR truck for a local non-profit. It is the only truck owned and none of the drivers are full time drivers. It is USDOT registered. Most times it stays within 150 miles of home but occassionally travels out of state and goes "on tour" for 10 days. Do we need to log every trip? Can we maintain a log for the truck or do we need a log book for every driver. I have driven ~20 days in the past year, 7 or which were in a concentrated time, most are every couple of weeks. Thoughts? Eric,

I (and a group of others) occassionally drive a 16K GVWR truck for a local non-profit. It is the only truck owned and none of the drivers are full time drivers. It is USDOT registered. Most times it stays within 150 miles of home but occassionally travels out of state and goes “on tour” for 10 days. Do we need to log every trip? Can we maintain a log for the truck or do we need a log book for every driver. I have driven ~20 days in the past year, 7 or which were in a concentrated time, most are every couple of weeks. Thoughts?

]]> By: Eric Arnold http://www.arnoldsafetyblog.com/when-do-i-have-to-fill-out-logbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-37982 Eric Arnold Mon, 28 Jun 2010 15:29:20 +0000 http://www.fmcsacompliance.com/?p=39#comment-37982 If you are in commerce, and going more than 150 miles from your office, you need to fill out a logbook. Don't know about the permits, need more information. If you are in commerce, and going more than 150 miles from your office, you need to fill out a logbook. Don’t know about the permits, need more information.

]]> By: James Heckman http://www.arnoldsafetyblog.com/when-do-i-have-to-fill-out-logbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-37893 James Heckman Sun, 20 Jun 2010 21:08:26 +0000 http://www.fmcsacompliance.com/?p=39#comment-37893 When driving a Frieght liner Sadona with air brakes towing a rv trailer is the driver require to fill out a log book? Is any other state permits required other than the home state? Thanks When driving a Frieght liner Sadona with air brakes towing a rv trailer is the driver require to fill out a log book? Is any other state permits required other than the home state?
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]]> By: Eric Arnold http://www.arnoldsafetyblog.com/when-do-i-have-to-fill-out-logbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-471 Eric Arnold Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:44:18 +0000 http://www.fmcsacompliance.com/?p=39#comment-471 Charley: Thank for the compliment; I try. The short answer to your question is: counted as the crow flies or air-miles is the actual term used in the rules. Although the interstate rule is 100 air-miles, not 150. I'm not sure what it is in Colorado without researching it, many states have slightly different rules within their own states as opposed to the rules if you cross state lines. Charley: Thank for the compliment; I try. The short answer to your question is: counted as the crow flies or air-miles is the actual term used in the rules. Although the interstate rule is 100 air-miles, not 150. I’m not sure what it is in Colorado without researching it, many states have slightly different rules within their own states as opposed to the rules if you cross state lines.

]]> By: Charley http://www.arnoldsafetyblog.com/when-do-i-have-to-fill-out-logbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-466 Charley Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:49:02 +0000 http://www.fmcsacompliance.com/?p=39#comment-466 I live in Colrado and was wondering if the 150 mile limit is counted as the bird flies or is that actual mileage? Is the local limit in all states 150 miles or does it vary by state? Thanks for all the great information you provide. I live in Colrado and was wondering if the 150 mile limit is counted as the bird flies or is that actual mileage? Is the local limit in all states 150 miles or does it vary by state? Thanks for all the great information you provide.

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